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[KotlinConf2023] KotlinConf’23 Closing Panel: Community Questions and Future Insights
KotlinConf’23 concluded with its traditional Closing Panel, an open forum where attendees could pose their burning questions to a diverse group of experts from the Kotlin community, including key figures from JetBrains and Google. The panel, moderated by Hadi Hariri, featured prominent names such as Roman Elizarov, Egor Tolstoy, Maxim Shafirov (CEO of JetBrains), Svetlana Isakova, Pamela Hill, Sebastian Aigner (all JetBrains), Grace Kloba, Kevin Galligan, David Blanc, Wenbo, Jeffrey van Gogh (all Google), Jake Wharton (Cash App), and Zac Sweers (Slack), among others.
The session was lively, covering a wide range of topics from language features and tooling to ecosystem development and the future of Kotlin across different platforms.
Kotlin’s Ambitions and Language Evolution
One of the initial questions addressed Kotlin’s overarching goal, humorously framed as whether Kotlin aims to “get rid of other programming languages”. Roman Elizarov quipped they only want to get rid of “bad ones,” while Egor Tolstoy clarified that Kotlin’s focus is primarily on application development (services, desktop, web, mobile) rather than systems programming.
Regarding Kotlin 2.0 and the possibility of removing features, the panel indicated a strong preference for maintaining backward compatibility. However, if a feature were to be considered for removal, it would likely be something with a clearly superior alternative, such as potentially older ways of doing things if newer, more robust mechanisms (like K2 compiler plugins replacing older KAPT mechanisms, hypothetically) became the standard. The discussion also touched on the desire for a unified, official Kotlin style guide and formatter to reduce community fragmentation around tooling, though Zac Sweers noted that even with an official tool, community alternatives would likely persist.
Multiplatform, Compose, and Ecosystem
A significant portion of the Q&A revolved around Kotlin Multiplatform (KMP) and Compose Multiplatform.
* Dart Interoperability: Questions arose about interoperability between Kotlin/Native (especially for Compose on iOS which uses Skia) and Dart/Flutter. While direct, deep interoperability wasn’t presented as a primary focus, the general sentiment was that both ecosystems are strong, and developers choose based on their needs. The panel emphasized that Compose for iOS aims for a native feel and deep integration with iOS platform features.
* Compose UI for iOS and Material Design: A recurring concern was whether Compose UI on iOS would feel “too Material Design” and not native enough for iOS users. Panelists from JetBrains and Google acknowledged this, stressing ongoing efforts to ensure Compose components on iOS adhere to Cupertino (iOS native) design principles and feel natural on the platform. Jake Wharton added that making Kotlin APIs feel idiomatic to iOS developers is crucial for adoption.
* Future of KMP: The panel expressed strong optimism for KMP’s future, highlighting its stability and growing library support. They see KMP becoming the default way to build applications when targeting multiple platforms with Kotlin. The focus is on making KMP robust and ensuring a great developer experience across all supported targets.
Performance, Tooling, and Emerging Areas
- Build Times: Concerns about Kotlin/Native build times, especially for iOS, were acknowledged. The team is continuously working on improving compiler performance and reducing build times, with K2 expected to bring further optimizations.
- Project Loom and Coroutines: Roman Elizarov reiterated points from his earlier talk, stating that Loom is excellent for migrating existing blocking Java code, while Kotlin Coroutines offer finer-grained control and structured concurrency, especially beneficial for UI and complex asynchronous workflows. They are not mutually exclusive and can coexist.
- Kotlin in Gaming: While not a primary focus historically, the panel acknowledged growing interest and some community libraries for game development with Kotlin. The potential for KMP in this area was also noted.
- Documentation: The importance of clear, comprehensive, and up-to-date documentation was a recurring theme, with the panel acknowledging it as an ongoing effort.
- AI and Kotlin: When asked about AI taking developers’ jobs, Zac Sweers offered a pragmatic take: AI won’t take your job, but someone who knows how to use AI effectively might. The panel highlighted that Kotlin is well-suited for building AI tools and applications.
The panel concluded with the exciting reveal of Kotlin’s reimagined mascot, Kodee (spelled K-O-D-E-E), a cute, modern character designed to represent the language and its community. Pins of Kodee were made available to attendees, adding a fun, tangible takeaway to the conference’s close.